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By: bob

bob — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:06:28 +0000

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” If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. “ -1 cor 13

By: Dan

Dan — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:12:15 +0000

Willis,
the first rule of scriptural interpretation is that you let scripture interpret scripture. I interpreted scripture properly. you can render my answer void and invalid till you’re blue in the face. If Elohim, God Almighty, Jehovah Himself said the raven was unclean and the dove clean then yours or my opinion doesn’t matter. Let’s cut to the chase. You can’t give me a direct answer because there is no commandment to Abraham. If you want to talk about presumption, you are presuming a commandment to Abraham that doesn’t exist. A commandment that you say does exist. I answered your question in good faith but you keep avoiding mine. Why? I believe it’s because you don’t have an answer. So instead of saying I don’t have an answer you use the tactic of distraction and insults to avoid answering.
I’ve got bigger fish to fry than wasting my time on childish games. I pray the Lord bless you and give you a revelation of the mercy,grace,love and covenant of the Lord through Jesus Christ. An answer to my original question would be nice but I don’t expect one from you because I can only conclude that you don’t have one. In the future, if you’re going to say that there is a command to do something from God in the scripture, I suggest that you give the scripture to back it up instead of playing games.

By: willis

willis — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:32:06 +0000

you said: 1 The raven was an unclean animal
2 The dove was a clean animal
The scripture for the dove and raven being clean and unclean are found in Leviticus Chapter 11 which describes the law of the clean and unclean animals.

man! thats ouside the Genesis boundary you are out of the game

By: willis

willis — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:27:15 +0000

if you were in Noahs position and God gave you an instruction to take every species pertaining to the names of the 7 cleaned and 2 uncleaned animals which is not written in Gen what would you do?

where will you categorize my pet Elephant? oops it should be based in the Genesis book.

By: willis

willis — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:19:26 +0000

now you are talking! even though your claim of the said cleaned and uncleaned animal did not appear of what is there, i shall render it as void and unscriptural. you are presuming of something which is not written in the Genesis book.

Noah was given an instruction to take in his ark two kinds of uncleaned animals and seven kinds of cleaned ani

…and where is this direct commandment of God that enumerate the names of the seven cleaned and two cleaned animals to Noah ?

you know why am i doing this to you its because from where the said animals you will find it, then there of the same place you will get the answer of what you are looking for?

By: willis

willis — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:42:15 +0000

someone ask: “It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.” (Gal 5:1)

so many people of today had accepted this verse in reference to the old testament laws of God without doubt. it will amaze you if i search it again in the bible of what was really the meaning of the ”yoke of bondage”

in Gal 5:1 says:v1”It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”

what do you mean by the word ”be burdened again”?
it maybe something that goes back to what was previously imposed or implemented on.
do they care to ask ourselves if this verse intended for the covenant people?

my question is : who were the Galatians that Paul is refering to in his writings?
are the Galatians people and the Jews of the same race? i can’t believe it that most of you didn’t know the exact location of Galatia.

did the Galatians people receive the old covenant of moses at mt sinai?

…Ancient Galatia was an area in the highlands of central Anatolia in modern Turkey. Galatia, an ancient region of Asia Minor…

its definitly NOT in Judah!

what really is the yoke of bondage that Paul is refering to?

turn to Gal 4:8

v8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods.
v9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again?
v10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
v11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

…Formerly, when you did not know God?
it sounds not a Jew to me.

my conclussions that the people of Galatia were once a pagan nation before their conversion to christianity and the yoke of bondage does not point to any of the commandment of God but to their usual habitat.

By: Dan

Dan — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:26:38 +0000

Bless you Willis,
you said:
( what we are discussing about the tithe of abraham has already been explained in my previous comments. scroll it back from the start and you will find it almost closed to your nose. )

That’s exactly the point of my question to you. I did scroll back and read yours, mine and others post in order to understand different views a little better. In the process I found this quote from your answer to my post last month:
(”further more in Hebrew 7:6 …yet he collected a tenth from Abraham. that is the proof the tithe is obligation”.)

I studied Hebrews 7:6 and did not find a commandment in that verse or chapter. I did find the word gave
Hebrews 7:2-4
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Heb 7:2-4 (KJV)
Here is the definition of the word gave as it is used in almost all of the new testament.

—–a prolonged form of a primary verb (which is used as an alternative in most of the tenses); to give (used in a very wide application, properly or by implication, literal or figurative; greatly modified by the connection) :- adventure, bestow, bring forth, commit, deliver (up), give, grant, hinder, make, minister, number, offer, have power, put, receive, set, shew, smite (+ with the hand), strike (+ with the palm of the hand), suffer, take, utter, yield.
—Strong’s Greek & Hebrew Dictionary G#1325

My simple question was and remains where is this commandment at in the bible?

You said this to me earlier:

(yes i can show you all of the verses in regards to the Abrahams tithe provided if you can produce me what particular animals were cleaned and uncleaned loaded in the Noahs Ark? deal? you should study it first before we discuss other matters.)

As far as the clean and unclean animals of Noah’s ark: No one can describe all of them that I’m aware of but, there were at least two particular ones that I can absolutely describe.
In Genesis 8:7 & 8
1 The raven was an unclean animal
2 The dove was a clean animal
The scripture for the dove and raven being clean and unclean are found in Leviticus Chapter 11 which describes the law of the clean and unclean animals.

You asked for particular animals
Here is the definition for particular:
1: of, relating to, or being a single person or thing
2 of, relating to, or concerned with details
3. being one unit or element among others
4. denoting an individual member or subclass in logic

I love a challenge and to study the bible Willis, so, I have to thank you for that challenge because it helped me understand the scripture better, because I discovered there are also some spiritual implications to what Noah did, so thanks

I kept my part of the deal:
Now, where is the commandment from Melchezidec to Abraham about tithing